RE: iSCSI Naming: WWUIs, URNs, and namespaces

["Renato E. Maranon" <rmaranon@marantinetworks.com>]

I'm with Mark Bakke on the minimum:

- iscsi - The canonical name.
- eui - For compatibility with existing device naming schemes.
- reverse-dns - For better naming flexibility moving forward.

Renato Maranon
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From: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu [mailto:owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu]On Behalf Of
Mark Bakke
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:36 AM
To: Black_David@emc.com
Cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: iSCSI Naming: WWUIs, URNs, and namespaces



David-

This is starting to seem like work.  In case they help,
please see my comments below.  We can take this up in
more detail in the N&D team.

--
Mark

Black_David@emc.com wrote:
> 
> <RANT> I don't like naming issues. </RANT> :-) :-)
> 
> After suitable consulting with some members of
> the IESG and IAB, I have some news to convey about
> the current approach to iSCSI naming.
> 
> The IESG will not approve another global namespace
> for iSCSI's use - this means that WWUIs as currently

So I take it that WWUIs are fine, as long as they use
existing global name spaces.

> designed will need to be revised out of the
> naming and discovery draft, and that it will not be
> possible to proceed with the WWUI URN draft
> as an official IPS WG work item.  The best course of
> action would probably be to allow the WWUI URN draft
> to expire without further revision.
> 
> To a first approximation, WWUIs are/were a "grand
> unified theory" of naming, in that any namespace could
> be glued into the WWUI world (as several were).

The reason we glued these in was to avoid creating a new
global name space.  We allowed the use of a few currently
available global name spaces.  How can this be a problem?

> The WG is being directed to instead focus on the
> individual namespaces and make sure that the ones that
> are used are in fact necessary.  iSCSI can use text
> keys to identify which sort of name is being used
> (one key for each sort of format, for each instance
> in which a name is used), and it may be possible
> to encode the name format in the parse rules for the
> values of iSCSI keys to avoid proliferation of keys.
> 
> Taking a look at the namespaces in the current iSCSI
> naming and discovery draft, here's some initial
> guidance from this WG co-chair:
>   iscsi - canonical target -- This should be fine.
>   eui - WWNs -- The use of these for storage makes eminent
>         sense.  I don't see a problem here.

So far, so good.  Does that mean that we can keep the above
two, in the current WWUI, as we have it formatted?

EUI, although it's not that flexible (see later), is required
for interoperating with and adding iSCSI to existing devices.

>   dns - hostnames -- Use of these should be abandoned as
>         not only are they not really URNs (as indicated
>         in the draft), but their intended usage is straying
>         into the tarpit known as "URN resolution".  Faster
>         progress will made by staying out.  A DNS hostname
>         can be put into an Alias or something new can be
>         invented to carry it as a Location Hint, BUT the
>         relevant URN WG RFCs and drafts on URN resolution
>         should be reviewed before proceeding too far in this
>         direction.

I don't like this one that much, either, for the same reasons.

>   iscsi - Reverse DNS and oui - Org. Unique Identifier --
>         The rationale for these is not clear to me.
>         Assuming that WWNs are going to be available for
>         use in naming iSCSI Initiators and Targets, what
>         are the problems that these sorts of names solve
>         that WWNs don't?  It appears that one of the problems
>         may be who can get/create them.  Discussion of this
>         on the list would be appropriate.

These two formats use existing global name spaces, and allow
the implementor or end user to take a more flexible approach
to naming than is offered by the EUI-64.  When dealing with
a large number of logical targets, burning WWNs (essentially,
MAC addresses), and attempting to keep them tied to a logical
entity without tying them to hardware is not practical.

Both of these formats accomplish the same thing, and we could
make do with just one of them.  The only real differences are:

- OUI is a fixed length naming authority; reverse DNS is variable
  and could result in longer names.

- A human looking at a reverse DNS-based name can easily determine
  who the naming authority is; a human looking at an OUI-based
  name will usually have to go look it up at IEEE.

- Only a hardware manufacturer (and a few software manufacters)
  will already have an OUI.  Others, such as storage service
  providers, large end customers, or software driver providers,
  would either be out-of-luck for naming their devices, or would
  have to register for an OUI, which would otherwise be a waste
  of IEEE resources.  OTOH, a storage service provider could
  provide its own names by using the reverse-DNS authority.
  Everyone has a DNS name.  This would enable the SSP to provide
  its customers with a WWUI that would not change if the back-end
  storage device was replaced.  After all, it's not the device
  that's important to this customer, it's the DATA.

- If we had to pick one or the other, I would pick the reverse
  DNS, since it offers the ability to generate unique names to
  a wider variety of users.

> In any case, the fewer name formats we have to deal with,
> the better.

Although I probably should have discussed this with the rest
of the NDT first, I would personally be happy with:

- iscsi - The canonical name.
- eui - For compatibility with existing device naming schemes.
- reverse-dns - For better naming flexibility moving forward.

Perhaps the IESG would accept the WWUI with just these three.
Or perhaps we could just make the WWUI into a URN?  I don't
know if that would help, but perhaps...

The main point is that we are NOT creating any new name
spaces; we really are just using what's already there.  Maybe
by specifying fewer of the options that are already there, we
would be in better shape.

> I want to try to anticipate an objection to this, which
> would note that from a functional viewpoint the basic
> impact of this is to move some characters from one text
> string to another (e.g., from a WWUI type designator
> to part of an iSCSI text key), and wonder if this is
> a distinction without a difference.  One of the reasons
> for the <RANT> that started this post is that a functional
> view is not sufficient for naming - how things are named,
> the intended usage of names and their scope matter a lot.

So that leads to the question: Has any other WG come up with
a world-wide-unique-identifier for something else that the
IESG folks deems acceptable?  If we can see a few examples,
we would be better able to anticipate what they want.

> This is particularly true when considering the structure
> of a namespace and how that structure may be extended.
> The upshot is that avoiding introduction of something
> claiming to be yet another global namespace is important
> (i.e., use existing namespaces with global scope in preference
> to inventing new ones).  The resulting need to define
> the name spaces/formats in the main iSCSI spec. is
> probably a "feature" as it forces us to pay more
> attention to the sorts of names we use and raises the
> bar for adding additional sorts of names in the future.
 
> I will be working with
> the naming and discovery team in my "copious spare time"
> to make sure that we don't lose the valuable work and
> progress they've made to date as a consequence of this
> change.  Discussion on the list about what sort
> of names are important (e.g., the Reverse DNS and OUI
> namespaces) and why would be useful.

>From a requirements point of view, please respond if any
of the types of names are important to you (plural).

Hopefully, we can get this out of the way quickly.



> Thanks,
> --David
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Mark A. Bakke
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