RE: iSCSI: Out Of Sequence due to null sequence with multiple con nections.

["Douglas Otis" <dotis@sanlight.net>]

David,

Sandeep missed a point found within serial math, you have a window that
rotates with respect to prior commands based on the magnitude of the
difference.  There is no need to maintain any state other than the sequence
of the flagged command where prior pending to be sent commands are rejected.
Obviously before this window rotates more than 2 billion PDUs, this prior
value will need to be retired.  This is not a difficult or high overhead
operation with respect to rejecting prior commands.  There would not be any
decisions within the sequencer regarding content of any rejected PDU.  You
still should want to purge PDUs waiting in a queue pending to be sent to the
target should an "immediate" command be flagged.  Your concept creates an
odd event with both sequential and non-sequential delivery of a task
management command.  You are then left with a time interval where a
non-sequential command reception must modify behavior waiting for a possible
counter-part.  Causing all pending PDUs to be rejected immediately there is
no waiting for status information or any further activity to occur.  You
would see reject-reject-status.  If the initiator needs these rejected
commands replayed, this becomes an option of the initiator.

Doug

> > I would state this much stronger.  Applications had better not have to
> know
> > that it is iSCSI underneath vs. FCP or parallel SCSI else I believe we
> > missed the objective (granted, some things such as target address space
> are
> > unavoidably different, but I believe task management functions should be
> the
> > same).  The transport needs to handle the transport issues without
> exposing
> > quirks to the SCSI or application layer.
>
> Unfortunately, I think we have an impossible situation.  It appears to me
> that
> we have to pick at most two of the following three goals, as I have yet to
> see
> any way to achieve all three for a single task management command on a
> multiple connection session:
>
> (1) The command takes effect immediately and its status/response
> 	is available immediately.
> (2) The command affects all commands in flight, and its status/response
> 	is delayed until all such effects are complete.
> (3) There is no significant visible departure from existing SCSI task
> 	management behavior.
>
> The problem is that trying to do both (1) and (2) either requires SCSI to
> "execute" the task management command twice or requires that iSCSI do
> some task management (e.g., on the in-flight commands) on SCSI's behalf
> (or worse like having SCSI prolong the execution of the task management
> command until everything in flight in iSCSI arrives).  All of these appear
> to lead to problems with (3) in one form or another - two executions
> result in two SCSI status/responses that have to be merged, and iSCSI
> task management will sooner or later do something different from SCSI
> (e.g., I sincerely doubt that a Target in a bridge will ever get this 100%
> identical to the devices that are being bridged).
>
> The current iSCSI draft provides the choice of  [(1)] XOR [(2), (3)];
> the reason for not getting (3) with (1) is the possibility of the task
> management command bypassing commands that it's supposed to
> affect.  Charles' original proposal is [(2), (3)] because it has
> to time out
> a stuck connection before executing the command, and is roughly
> equivalent to sending the command for ordered delivery and having
> the implementation treat any queue between iSCSI and SCSI as
> being on the SCSI side of the line.  Doug Otis's counter-proposal
> falls into the category of iSCSI doing task management on SCSI's
> behalf and provides an example of how this results in visible changes
> in behavior -- for the CLEAR ACA task management command,
> aborting all tasks that are queued or in flight is generally incorrect.
>
> I would note that this issue does not arise on single connection sessions,
> because sending the command for immediate delivery plus some care not
> to reorder things in the iSCSI Target (i.e., consider the iSCSI to SCSI
> queue
> to be in "SCSI" and hence subject to the task management command)
> obtains all of (1) through (3).
>
> Going out on a limb, I suspect applications will generally want [(2), (3)]
> -- send for ordered delivery and wait for the dust to settle because that
> provides the best odds of having some weird device get into a known
> state from which further progress is possible.  This allows the
> application
> to not know whether parallel SCSI, FCP or iSCSI is underneath and
> relies on other iSCSI recovery procedures to make sure that the task
> management command is delivered and executed (e.g., unstick and/or
> close "stuck" connections).  There will be cases in which (1) is
> needed (e.g., observe tape robot doing something obviously wrong,
> and get it to stop immediately), but those may involve fairly blunt
> instruments (e.g., LUN RESET) and the need to clean up any collateral
> damage.
>
> Sandeep's proposal to create state in the target either fails to achieve
> (1) [if the response is delayed until the state is removed] or
> violates SAM2
> [returns the response to the task management command before the task
> management command is complete].  Having state linger after a completed
> LUN or TARGET RESET is almost certainly wrong.
>
> So, I think I'm down to sending task management functions once, usually
> for ordered delivery with the application making the ordered vs. immediate
> delivery choice (and sending the task management function twice if it
> so chooses).  I think apps will generally choose ordered
> delivery, choosing
> predictable behavior over immediacy concerns.  Aside from a longer
> discussion of this issue, I still don't see the need for additional
> mechanism(s) to task management - what have I missed in the above
> discussion?
>
> --David
>
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