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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] RE: FCIP: Multiple connections> Implementing this "flow allegiance" is > not a significant incremental effort since in order to map all frames of a > single direction of a flow on to a particular connection, most of the > work is already done anyway. I disagree - mapping in one direction only is much easier than mapping consistently in both directions across multiple vendors' solutions -- both ends have to use the same mapping algorithm or have to remember a LOT of stuff to do this in an interoperable manner. Now let's look at the issues you raise. 1. Asymmetric routing: Routers won't distinguish between two FCIP connections; so I argue that using a different connection does not add routing asymmetry. 2. NIC application - Such devices should be built to ensure that the connections don't span IP addresses (NICs) and the processing should be done above the TCP port level so that using a different TCP port wouldn't matter. 3. Connection failure - even with a single connection, the issue you mention is already there to some extent. One side may terminate the connection and it will take a while for the other side to realize it. Also, ULP mechanisms should kick in to contain the damage. So, in summary, I don't believe these issues are sufficient to justify the extra burden that the rule places on devices or the potential risk of interoperability problems. On the issue of "negotiating", FCIP does not have any notion of parameter negotiation today, correct? -----Original Message----- From: Venkat Rangan [mailto:venkat@rhapsodynetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:37 AM To: 'Sudhir Srinivasan'; 'ips@ece.cmu.edu' Subject: RE: FCIP: Multiple connections Sudhir, For a given FC Flow (indicated by a SID, DID pair of the FC frames), both forward and reverse directions are mapped to the same connection. This ensures that: 1. Any TCP congestion related rate adjustment on one direction impacts the other direction equally. Although even a single TCP connection is subject to variations introduced due to assymmetric routing, we do not want to introduce more assymmetry by sending forward direction frames of one flow on one connection and the reverse on a different connection. 2. By allowing forward and reverse traffic flow on different connections, the protocol may exclude implementation of a class of products that rely on seeing the forward and reverse traffic on the same NIC where the connection is processed. If the connections end up on different NICs or ports and the processing is off-loaded to them, then you have the need to either exchange state or forward traffic to a common point. 3. Error recovery in the case of TCP connection failure may cause one of the two directions to be functional while the other is not. If both directions are mapped to the same connection, such recovery is more easily mapped to a link/ISL failure. If the protocol allows forward and reverse directions of a flow to be mapped on different connections, I would like to suggest that there is an option that allows a pair of FCIP Device Endpoints to negotiate that both directions must be mapped on to the same connection. Implementing this "flow allegiance" is not a significant incremental effort since in order to map all frames of a single direction of a flow on to a particular connection, most of the work is already done anyway. Regards, Venkat Rangan Rhapsody Networks Inc. http://www.rhapsodynetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Sudhir Srinivasan [mailto:SudhirS@trebia.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:53 PM To: 'ips@ece.cmu.edu' Cc: Sudhir Srinivasan Subject: FCIP: Multiple connections In Section 5.5, what is the reason to include rule (2)? Is it not sufficient that frames in each direction be delivered in order? Physical analogy is to have two half-duplex lines instead of a full-duplex line. Vendor should have the choice to go either way. -Sudhir Trebia Networks, Inc. Sudhir.Srinivasan@trebia.com 978-929-0830 x139 www.trebia.com
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