Re: iSCSI: reusing ISID for recovery (Was: RE: iSCSI - Change - Login/Text...)

["Julian Satran" <Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com>]

Mallikarjun,

On  your point 1 that is what is stated today in the draft.

On your point 2 option C is the one we took in the draft, after some
debate.

Option A is prone to "wild closing of sessions" and option B is also
relaying to much on the good behaviour of the
client. It also introduces a "feature" that complicates login/logout.

Our postion on this is  that the initiator should logout the session
explicitly if it can (and in this case it can as the target has ascertained
that the session is alive).

I agree that you may want to update the stayte diagram to reflect this.

Julo


"Mallikarjun C." <cbm@rose.hp.com>@ece.cmu.edu on 24-08-2001 01:46:40

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Julian and all:

This thread mirrors another discussion some of us are
having in a different forum.  Following (two bullets 1
& 2 below) is what I proposed there, attempting to address
two issues -
     a) how to recover sessions when target and the initiator
           have conflicting views of the same TCP connection(s)?
           (Initiator NIC fails, but there's no I/O activity,
           and the target doesn't see any connection failure.)
     b) More specifically, how to address the above problem
           when the initiator *does not want* to re-instate failed
           connections since it only implements the mandatory
           session recovery?

This could add clarity or muddle things up here, though hopefully
the former...

1 If login is sent with the same ISID, same TSID, same CID and X-bit,
  then it means a failed connection is being re-instated (whether
  or not there are multiple connections in the session).  This login
  attempt must be done before the connection timeout (transition M1),
  or if this is the only connection in the session, also before the
  session timeout (transition N6) - to be counted as a connection
  reinstatement effort.
           o CmdSN counters (CmdSN, ExpCmdSN) are continued.  Initiator
             must do command plugging when there's a mismatch
             between its CmdSN and ExpCmdSN in the login response.
           o Since this is an implicit connection logout, all the active
             tasks on the connection are either internally terminated,
             or made non-allegiant (based on ErrorRecoveryLevel=x/y,
             TBD) for recovery.

2 If login is sent with the same ISID and TSID=0, the session (if it
  exists on the target) is being cleared and any active connections
  that the target sees must be immediately (at the end of the login
  process including any initiator authentication) transport reset.
  Initiator may attempt this only after it ascertains a session failure
  on its end (ie. all connections entered RECOVERY_START).
           o CmdSN counters get reset.  Initiator has to perform the
             currently defined session recovery actions.
           o All active tasks of the session are internally terminated.


Essentially, I was proposing extending the same notion of "implicit
logout" of a connection to the session level.  The options that I
see are -

       A) Should iSCSI let it happen by default as stated above (ie.
          same ISID, TSID=0 always wipes out the pre-existing session
          on target, since we are mandating it to be used only when
          initiator sees a session failure)?
       B) Should iSCSI mandate making this intended cleanup explicit
          by setting a bit (Say C-bit, for Clear) in the Login Command
          PDU to prevent an accidental session cleanup with a buggy
          initiator code?
       C) Should iSCSI merely state that targets must ascertain
          the connection state(s) whenever a new session creation
          attempt is made with a known ISID and TSID=0?  (sort of
          defeats the intention of the initiator wanting quicker
          session recovery since the Login command PDU would have
          to idle till target ascertains the connection state(s)).

I prefer A, or B.

Going with A or B means that the description of transition N3
in the session state diagram would have to change to:
     Last LOGGED_IN connection had ceased to be LOGGED_IN,
        or a Login Command requesting clearing the session (also
        with C-bit set, if option B) was received by the target.

The transition N7's description would have to be augmented as
well to:
        Session recovery attempt with an implicit logout,
        or connection reinstatement/new CID addition.

Comments?
--
Mallikarjun


Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
Networked Storage Architecture
Network Storage Solutions Organization
MS 5668   Hewlett-Packard, Roseville.
cbm@rose.hp.com


>Stephen,
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>That can happen as the target may set-up completely new TCP connections
>(the old sockets are still there and look OK).
>Untill the login is  progessing he assumes that this is just another
>open-session attempt. Then he checks the old session and the session is
>dead (initiator has closed the connections).
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>The target has to distinguish only between a session that is alive (and
>reject the new one) and one that its dead in which case it can clean-up.
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>Julo
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>"Wheat, Stephen R" <stephen.r.wheat@intel.com> on 23-08-2001 22:50:56
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>Julian,
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>I don't understand your answer.  For the scenario given, I would presume
>then that the target would reject the new session attempt, as it sees the
>previous session still "alive".  What is there to tell the target that
this
>is any different from when the Initiator is erroneously using the
>repetitive
>session id?
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>Thanks,
>Stephen
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>From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
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>Stephen,
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>1.If the initiator goes away for a while and reboots and there was no
>activity on the connections
>the target may see a session alive (I am not sure that it has to appear on
>the state diagram but maybe).
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>2.Again - I am not sure that the curent state diagram includes death of
the
>initiator
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>Julo
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>"Wheat, Stephen R" <stephen.r.wheat@intel.com>@ece.cmu.edu on 23-08-2001
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>Julian,
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>1.3.6 ISID states that the target should check to see if the old session
is
>still active when a duplicate session is detected.
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>I have two questions, the second only if you answer in the affirmative on
>the first ;^)
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>1. Is there a properly executed sequence of events (i.e., no coding error
>on
>the target side) where the session is not active, but the target hadn't
>taken notice of it?  It appears this as a protocol-specified means to work
>around a flaw in a target's implementation.  I interpret the state diagram
>transitions as being atomic wrt other commands.  I.e., the last logout
>would
>result in the various transitions of the connection/session prior to the
>initiator starting the session up again.  And the target would have
>completed the transitions prior to handling a new session request.
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>2. If you answered (1) in the affirmative, then the word "Active" is not
>consistent with the 6.3 Session State Diagram.  Does this mean the target
>got lost, due to transport failures of any sort, in its transition from
>Q3-to-Q2-to-Q1?  It sounds like the intent is to close the old session if
>the session was in Q2 or Q4, presuming if it were in Q1,  it would not
have
>been found as a duplicate.
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>Stephen
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