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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: iscsi : default iscsi mode page settings.Julian, Santosh, Can we make all the SCSI mode page paramters be made as login keys? Why should they be kept in a seperate mode page at all?? Sanjeev ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hufferd" <hufferd@us.ibm.com> To: "Santosh Rao" <santoshr@cup.hp.com> Cc: "Julian Satran" <Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com>; <ips@ece.cmu.edu> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: iscsi : default iscsi mode page settings. > > In addition to what Santosh said, If I understand this right, > I think it is a problem for iSCSI to have to keep going across layers to > determine what the values are. Since iSCSI Target will not see the CDB > that caused the values to change. > > Now if the value in the mode page is only the default, that would be a > different issue. > > . > . > . > John L. Hufferd > Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM) > IBM/SSG San Jose Ca > Main Office (408) 256-0403, Tie: 276-0403, eFax: (408) 904-4688 > Home Office (408) 997-6136 > Internet address: hufferd@us.ibm.com > > > Santosh Rao <santoshr@cup.hp.com>@ece.cmu.edu on 09/24/2001 12:28:43 PM > > Sent by: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu > > > To: Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL > cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu > Subject: Re: iscsi : default iscsi mode page settings. > > > > Julian Satran wrote: > > > I can sympathize with you wanting to use most of the parameters in iSCSI > - > > but the values are in fact restrictions that SCSI places on iSCSI. > > Julian, > > I'm confused by your response. > > The SPC-2 description of Disconnect-Reconnect mode page indicates that : > "The parameters appropriate to each protocol and their interpretation for > that protocol may > be specified in the individual protocol documents". > > FYI, SPI[-4] has chosen not to attach any semantics to FirstBurstSize for > the pSCSI > transport. Thus, iscsi is within its rights to declare this field as > reserved and attach no > meaning to it in the mode page. The FirstBurstSize can be negotiated during > iscsi login > through a login key. > > > > Nevertheless the discussion is rather academic because SCSI can hand > those > > parameters to iSCSI. > > Again, I'm confused by your response. The reasons I'm suggesting the use of > a login key > instead of the mode page method are : > > * More accurate scope (applies only to this I-T nexus). > > * More optimal negotiation and reduced overhead in the establishment of > the I-T nexus. (2 > less SCSI commands per I-T nexus establishment.). > > * Enables faster I/O scan times due to lesser on-the-wire activity > during I-T nexus > establishment. > > * Allows less room for error in the I-T nexus establishment (no > possiblity of failure to > establish I-T nexus due to mode sense/select command failure). > > * Avoids mode select wars that can occur when target uses shared mode > pages. > > * Simpler initiator implementations since they can avoid embedding SCSI > command set > knowledge as well as code to build/parse SCSI commands. Also, they can > avoid extra code > that is required to snoop for CHECK CONDITION with (sense key=UA, ASC > ="mode parameters > changed") in order to re-issue a mode sense to determine new values > for FirstBurstSize. > > * Less code to interact with SCSI ULP application client to co-ordinate > the mode page > values b/n the ULP & LLP. > > * Can use un-solicited data from the very first scsi command in the > session. > > I don't consider any of the above reasons to be academic and would like to > know which ones > among the above do you believe are academic and why ? > > > > SCSI can handle those parameters dynamically. iSCSI may have trouble > > handling this type of negotiation dynamically over several connections. > > This is exactly the kind of stuff we don't need and should actually be > trying to avoid. What > good does dynamically changing FirstBurstSize serve ? Dynamically changing > FirstBurstSize > would only be achieved with least side-effects if : > 1) The mode select implementation on target is not using shared mode pages. > 2) The initiator has quiesced I/O prior to issuing the mode select for the > change. > > Neither of the above 2 conditions would typically apply and any dynamic > change of > FirstBurstSize would only cause initiators to see a bunch of side-effects > such as : > a) Active outbound I/Os aborted by the target with a CHECK CONDITION due to > "not enough > un-solicited data". > b) UA CHECK CONDITION for "mode parameters changed". > > In the interests of simplification and avoiding disruption of active I/O, > such modifications > must be avoided as far as possible. One way to achieve that is to use a > login key and make > it LO. > > > > > > Resource-wise (as Bob Snively has pointed out) those are SCSI issues. > > > > A nice way out would be to ask T10 for a text mode negotiaton :-) > > Once again, I'm perplexed by your response. I'm not saying that text mode > negotiation is the > reason I suggest moving this to a login key. The main objective is to > isolate such > negotiation within the iscsi layer in an iscsi specific PDU that is a part > of the iscsi > login process. > > Hope you will consider all of the above factors. > > Thanks, > Santosh > > ps : [I wonder if there are any others on this list who care to voice their > opinion on this > issue. (??). ] > > > > > >
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