RE: iSCSI - positive data ack - change proposal

["Julian Satran" <Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com>]

Rod,

My English is not that good Rod. What I meant to say about the NOP is that
it does not convey information (it can't be used by itself as an ack!).

I can understand that ack is seldomly needed but we can certainly improve
targets (make them less expensive) by having it.

I can understand also that data (for real applications) could be rebuilt.

But you should not get the list into believing that there is a simple
alternative.


Julo


                                                                                               
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Julian,

           The NOP mechanism is awkward, no question, but I wasn't thinking
it
was something we should specify and mandate. Rather it is something
that a target might do under extreme, and hopefully unlikely
conditions.

           - Rod

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Matthew,

I can fix the text and the ack for the last - we can dispense with,
but
unlike we gather more support we will have to drop this.   I think
that the
NOP mechanism is awkward but is awkward and as the target shares the
penalty for SNAK it has no real incentive to the F bit in every PDU.

Julo



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Julian

This looks good!

A couple of comments:

Please could you add a paragraph to state that a target does not
necessarily
need to wait for the acknowledgment of a sequence before starting
transmission of the next sequence - for performance reasons.

In section 3.7.1 it states that "Upon receiving an Data-In PDU with
the F
set to 1 in a session with ErrorRecoveryLevel 1 or higher the
initiator
MUST
issue a DataACK type of SNACK indicating the next expected DataSN for
this
task".  Is this true for all incoming data sequences including the
final
sequence of the transfer?

Cheers

Matthew


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Subject: Re: iSCSI - positive data ack - change proposal


Here is updated version (in the previous I had excluded the sequences
ended
with Status with no good reason.

Julo

(See attached file: ack.txt)

----- Forwarded by Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM on 23-09-01 04:41 -----



                    Julian Satran

                                         To:     ips@ece.cmu.edu

                    22-09-2001           cc:

                    14:04                From:   Julian
Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
                                         Subject:     iSCSI - positive
data
ack - change
                                          proposal










Dear colleagues,

As  I mentioned earlier all the elements needed for positive data-ack
are
already in place.

I am suggesting the following changes to the document to reintroduce
the
data-ACK.

Comments?

Julo

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