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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] RE: iSCSI: Markers and FramingDear Colleagues, As an implementer of silicon solutions up to 10Gbps, my take is ... 1. Election # 6. FIM now and some kind of framing later. Comments: a. By framing I mean what ever method iWarp effort ends up with. (TUF as proposed today may not be it) b. I strongly recommend SHOULD implement FIM on the send side. Implication -> Senders that do not insert markers should be willing to accept up to RTT*BW data drops! Headers being "reasonably" out-of-order is OK. Of course, senders that do not insert markers but are willing to pay big $$$ to the SSP will get their buffer/BW allocation as usual and customary :-) c. I think that the proponents and beholders of FIM had good reasons. They still hold and are even more stronger. We have had FIM in the iSCSI spec since version 02. Major changes to the iSCSI draft, at this late date, should have significant technical reasons. 2. COBS is a good solution for the problem that Stuart and Mary originally set out to solve at Stanford. It's(COWS) use in the context of iSCSI is "misuse" at best, esp. given that the use of virgin TCP for transport is mandatory(for good reasons). Several of you have alluded to why COWS is nasty to implement ... I prefer not to get there. Markers on the other hand do bring in some "essential" complexity but they are reasonable to implement even at 10Gbps. We sure could brute-force COWS, but the point is why the additional "incidental" complexity. Do not read further, unless you are open to ... :-) -Shridhar Mukund --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAUTION: MANDATORY to delete and OPTIONAL to read >> Wouldn't it be stupid if we had a proliferation of framing >> alternatives just because the "world originally seemed flat"? (My apology to Stephen Bailey for taking the quote out of context) A packetized HDLC stream(for which COBS was designed) has one whole space-time dimension lesser than a TCP stream. Relative to TCP stream, packetized HDLC stream is a flat world! As I see it, COBS is an alternative coding technique that makes delimiters explicit in an otherwise reference-less "sequence" or byte/word-stream. A reference-less sequence is assumed to have no ends or gradations. Yet the encoded sequence exposes 'handles' for synchronization. -> relatively synchronous after encoding. TCP stream on the other hand is a "time-sequence". It starts with a big-bang after which every byte in the sequence has an explicit time(sequence number) associated with it. -> It is absolutely synchronous even to begin with! The increase in entropy because of assuming a time-sequence to be a mere-sequence is probably :-) demonstrated by the following: In the Marker lingo : My second son was born in 99 and my first son in 94. Of course, 1900 AD is the marker here. In the COW's moo: My second son was born 20 blue moons after my first son. My first son ... I have no clue? Usage of COWS over TCP transport would be like loosing a needle in the hay stack, on purpose, and then devising a clever scheme to retrieve it. If you read on further, you may be wasting your time ... Are you certain that the world is round? If you read Stephen Hawkings or an article from Stanford in Scientific American 3 blue moons ago, there is scientific evidence of higher dimensions beyond the 4 space-time dimensions we perceive. In other words, round world might just be an illusion or a convenient definition of what we perceive! When I am using maps, flat world seems perfectly fine to me. Since a mere-sequence is a one dimensional space and a time-sequence like TCP stream is two-dimensional, COBS needs to work harder with packetized HDLC sequences. If COBS looks simpler than FIM, it is just an artifact your specific implementation. Q.E.D. -Merlin's apprentice
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