Re: Part II (Re: question on iSCSI and NBD)

["sunzen.w" <wangxz@ict.ac.cn>]

Thank you,Andre Hedrick.
(And sorry for that this mail can't be send directly to you.I tried several times,
but the action all failed.So i can only sent to you by this maillist)

From your last two emails, i get nearer to see the power of standard.
I admit it, and i am willing to be with standard.

But one thing is still confronting me.

As to my understanding,iSCSI is a more lower,and hence more special
protocol.It is for the reason of compatibility with the traditional
technology.But this will maybe give performance loss when using it to
access the virtual devices(It is just from a glance at the path it
walks),and also the path it walks, which is it goes down to the level of
SCSI command at the initiator side,and at the target side goes up again
to access the virtual devices, doesn't seem good and smart.Maybe a more
neutral and upper protocol would be helpful to that.
  
In RFC 3347, section 2  Summary of Requirements,it says:

    MUST be possible to build I/O adapters that handle the entire SCSI
task.  

I am not clear for it's concrete meaning. is it helpful?
 
     

 


-----original message----------
> 
> Hi Sunzen,
> 
> I did not address the other points ypu put forward in the previous reply.
> 
> One of the key issues nobody wants to address, everything about storage is
> a lie.  iSCSI does a fantastic job of doing it bold and in your face.
> Now, what do I mean by stating "Everything about Storage is a Lie"?
> 
> Given when a host talks to device, the device tells the host what it wants
> the host to know about itself and not everything is disclosed.  This is
> similar to the usage of virtual devices like LVM, RAID, or any other
> non-scsi spindle/media.  iSCSI is perfect for keying the storefornt of
> storage in the same information path, and it even does it better than in
> the past.
> 
> Now any quality version of iSCSI targets in the market space will be able
> to mimic or lie about its physical spindle, and report it as a SCSI
> device.  This somewhat follows the history of MicroSoft's MiniPort(tm)
> API or in the BSD's aka CAM.  Believe it or not the miniport is slicker
> and smoother than CAM.
> 
> So when one exploits the virtual devices and converts their appearance and
> behavior to a scsi-like device, one also gains the ability to use the
> known and trusted management suites.  I do not use or hold any trust in
> their features, but my customers and others do.
> 
> Lastly iSCSI has to power to democratize storage and strip away from the
> giant sloaths, who tightly control FC and fail at the interoperability
> test, to empower the customers of today bound in the chains of FC.  While
> the greatest market space is for the 95% of the ignored customer base who
> can not or refuse to pay the excessive costs of FC.  Key point is that an
> emerging technology does not replace an existing one out of the box;
> however, it does provide a way and an out for todays customers of
> enterprise and future customers who want cost effective enterprise.
> 
> Given storage is a customer driven marketspace, NBD has no customers.
> 
> The only other item left is the 5 paradigm shift in the economy which will
> accelerate the adoption and migration to iSCSI, but that is another email
> offline for you to enjoy later.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andre Hedrick
> LAD Storage Consulting Group
> http://www.pyxtechnologies.com/
> 
> All trademarks belong to their respective companies.
> 
> On 10 Apr 2003, sunzen.w wrote:
> 
> > I have a question on iSCSI.It is originated from contrast of iSCSI with
> > NBD.
> > 
> > As all know, NBD also support block storage over IP. So maybe we can
> > also consider it as a technology of IP storage,which originated even
> > earlier than iSCSI.
> > 
> > Besides it's simplicity (which may bring less powfulness. ?)
> > Another feature i think more is that it intercepts on the request level.
> > while iSCSI intercepts on more lower level,it is on SCSI command level.
> > This shows a different computing distribution strategy.
> > 
> > But with the prevalence of virtual device(such as LVM ,...)
> > what are the results of the two different technology?
> > In order to access the virtual device, the low level request of SCSI
> > command which are carried by iSCSI should be transformed to upper level
> > request,while the additional transformation is not needed when using
> > NBD,where just a simple routing mechanism is needed. 
> > 
> > Do i understand them correctly?
> > As a technology of IP storage ,iSCSI provide apparent advantages(not all
> > the aspects) over FCP 
> > What advantages over NBD does iSCSI provide?  
> > 
> > need all your point and help.
> > 
> > with my best regards. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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