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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] iSCSI - Change - proposal RE: Review of the 07 draftYou have a good point. We may want to change it to this definition and leave it to SCSI (remove from appendix) and add an explicit MaxPDU. Comments? Julo "Binford, Charles" <CBinford@pirus.com>@ece.cmu.edu on 13-08-2001 17:49:10 Please respond to "Binford, Charles" <CBinford@pirus.com> Sent by: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu To: ips@ece.cmu.edu cc: Subject: RE: Review of the 07 draft I agree with Julian about removing EMDP and FirstBurstSize from iSCSI control. I disagree on MaxBurstSize. MaxBustSize defines DataPDU length only because we said it does. We could just as easily remove the relationship between DataPDU length and MaxBurstSize. I would prefer we let iSCSI control DataPDU length as it does today and change the meaning of MaxBurstSize under iSCSI to be more in line with what MaxBurstSize means under other SCSI protocols. As pointed out earlier on this thread a generic SCSI mode page utility doesn't/shouldn't know/care what the transport it. The meaning of MaxBurstSize under FCP is largest FC Sequence a target can send. Since an FC class 3 target can send multiple Read data sequences to the host with no handshake, the parameter is essentially a don't care for reads. For Writes it effectively governs the largest amount of data a target can ask for on an XFER_RDY. For iSCSI, I'd like to see MaxBurstSize be defined as one of the following: - largest amount of data a target can ask for under a single R2T; or - ignored. My problem with the current definition is typical iSCSI DataPDU lengths are relatively small (default 8K in the spec.) The typical MaxBurstSize for other protocols is much larger - 64K to 512K. Charles Binford Pirus Networks 316.315.0382 x222 -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 5:50 PM To: Robert Snively Cc: 'deva@stargateip.com'; Robert Griswold; Eddy Quicksall; Jim Hafner; ips@ece.cmu.edu Subject: RE: Review of the 07 draft I think that for regularity it would be wise to remove completely EMDP and FirstBurstsize from iSCSI control. MaximumBurstSize defines the DataPDU length and is transport related (affects iSCSI and less SCSI) and should stay under iSCSI control. Comments? Julo Robert Snively <rsnively@Brocade.COM>@ece.cmu.edu on 10-08-2001 10:32:20 Please respond to Robert Snively <rsnively@Brocade.COM> Sent by: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu To: "'deva@stargateip.com'" <deva@stargateip.com>, Robert Griswold <rgriswold@Crossroads.com>, Eddy Quicksall <ESQuicksall@hotmail.com>, Jim Hafner/Almaden/IBM@IBMUS cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu Subject: RE: Review of the 07 draft Deva, Both of you are right if iSCSI sticks to negotiating only parameters related with the TCP connections, the iSCSI session operational parameters other than EMDP and burst length, and iSCSI security parameters. Then, all parameters relating to the normal SCSI activities, including EMDP and burst length (which are required for SCSI, not iSCSI, buffer management) would be negotiated in the normal SCSI manner through the MODE SENSE/SELECT pages and everybody would live happily ever after. Otherwise, and especially with respect to EMDP and burst length, I have to agree with Robert. Bob Snively e-mail: rsnively@brocade.com Brocade Communications Systems phone: 408 487 8135 1745 Technology Drive San Jose, CA 95110 -----Original Message----- From: Dev [mailto:deva@stargateip.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:33 PM To: Robert Griswold; Eddy Quicksall; Jim Hafner Cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu Subject: RE: Review of the 07 draft All, I tend to disagree. The parameters for the iSCSI are negotiated between the initiator and target. If we allow the parameters to be changed through SCSI Mode select, how will this work? If parameters can be changed through SCSI Mode select then it will apply only to Lead only connections. So, we'll have a) two methods to change the Lead only parameters common for the entire session (one through mode select and the other through text parameters) b) Just iSCSI text command to change the connection specific parameters. Does it not add to complexity having multiple ways to change the same stuff? Thanks Deva Platys communications -----Original Message----- From: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu [mailto:owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu]On Behalf Of Robert Griswold Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:36 PM To: Eddy Quicksall; Jim Hafner Cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu Subject: RE: Review of the 07 draft Eddy: I actually have no problem with all mode pages (SCSI and iSCSI) being accessible and changeable from standard SCSI mode commands. My initial response to this section was to propose a method that would be acceptable to the authors of the iSCSI draft. If there is desire in the group to allow mode pages for the entire target to be manipulated from the SCSI level, I think that is a better idea that the one I proposed. I would assume that an iSCSI aware SCSI utility would understand the iSCSI specific settings, and allow the user to make those changes. What I am really against, is the ability to modify standard SCSI mode page settings from text messages, as that could lead to target behavior changes outside of the understanding of the SCSI nexus. To recap your thinking: Allow iSCSI text messages to modify and read iSCSI only mode settings (potentially allowing the reading if SCSI mode settings), but allow SCSI mode commands to modify and read all target mode settings, including iSCSI settings. Is that what you are saying. If so, I agree. Bob Robert Griswold Technologist Crossroads Systems, Inc. 512-928-7272 -----Original Message----- From: Eddy Quicksall [mailto:ESQuicksall@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:08 PM To: Robert Griswold; Jim Hafner Cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Review of the 07 draft I don't like the idea of not letting a user of a SCSI utility be able to change some of the parameters for iSCSI. Because they may be relevant to him and there may not be a user interface to the iSCSI driver. pSCSI sets these low level parameters via a standard mode set, so why not iSCSI? It would be best if we could work out something where only the SCSI layer can set the mode pages. That would solve everything. Eddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hafner" <hafner@almaden.ibm.com> To: "Robert Griswold" <rgriswold@Crossroads.com> Cc: <ips@ece.cmu.edu> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Review of the 07 draft > Well, in fact, the draft is supposed to say that MODE_SELECT for the > transport-specific mode page will NOT be done via SCSI, only via Text > commands. I read that as saying that from the SCSI layer, all fields in > these pages are "unchangeable" (even though they can change in the iSCSI > layer). Of course, the draft doesn't say whether MODE PARAMETERS HAVE > CHANGED unit attentions get thrown up at the SCSI layer when this happens > at the iSCSI layer.... You later have a clarifying question (Section 3) on > this as well. > > Regards, > Jim Hafner > > > >
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