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    RE: iSCSI: NOP-In



    
    Eddy, et.al.
    Initiators can not originate a ping with data.  But it can echo a ping with
    data.  That is, it can reflect back to the initiator, via a NOP-In, the
    data that was sent to it within a NOP-Out from the initiator.  However, the
    target may not originate a ping via a NOP-In and include Data.
    
    This was done, if I remember the history correctly, because initiators are
    never prepared to accept unsolicited data of any kind.  They always solicit
    data if they are to receive it.  Hence, an unsolicited NOP-In with data,
    seemed to some to be problematical, and that capability was removed.
    
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    John L. Hufferd
    Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)
    IBM/SSG San Jose Ca
    Main Office (408) 256-0403, Tie: 276-0403,  eFax: (408) 904-4688
    Home Office (408) 997-6136, Cell: (408) 499-9702
    Internet address: hufferd@us.ibm.com
    
    
    Eddy Quicksall <eddyq@ivivity.com> on 05/13/2002 05:21:11 AM
    
    To:    Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
    cc:    ips <ips@ece.cmu.edu>, John Hufferd/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS
    Subject:    RE: iSCSI: NOP-In
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Maybe I misunderstood John's statement. John, aren't you saying that the
    target is not allowed to send ping data at all (i.e., that is MUST always
    use  0xFFFFFFFF in the TTT)?
    
    
    My implied (though perhaps not so well written)
    point was that a ping  INITIATED by the target
    
    
    Eddy
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Julian Satran  [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:56  AM
    To: Eddy Quicksall
    Cc: ips; John Hufferd;  owner-ips
    Subject: RE: iSCSI: NOP-In
    
    
    
    The implied use for data is to echo it. Julo
    
    
                                                                              
         Eddy Quicksall                                                       
         <eddyq@ivivity.com                To:         John Hufferd/San       
         >                         Jose/IBM@IBMUS, Julian                     
                                   Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL                     
         05/13/2002 03:28                   cc:        ips                    
         AM                        <ips@ece.cmu.edu>, owner-ips               
         Please respond to         <owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu>,  "\"\"Robert D.   
         Eddy Quicksall            Russell\" <rdr\""                          
                                           Subject:         RE: iSCSI: NOP-In 
                                                                              
                                                                              
                                                                              
    
    
    
    BTW, What is the reason for a Target Ping not to  carry any data?
    
    Eddy
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: John  Hufferd [mailto:hufferd@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:10  PM
    To: Julian Satran
    Cc: ips; owner-ips; ""Robert D. Russell"  <rdr"
    Subject: Re: iSCSI: NOP-In
    
    
    
    Julian,
    you are of  course correct.  My implied (though perhaps not so well
    written)
    point  was that a ping INITIATED by the target, is also possible, but can
    not have  data.  And that the removal of the word "ping" would perhaps
    prevent  that concept from being obvious.
    
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    .
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    John L.  Hufferd
    Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM)
    IBM/SSG San Jose Ca
    Main  Office (408) 256-0403, Tie: 276-0403,  eFax: (408) 904-4688
    Home  Office (408) 997-6136, Cell: (408) 499-9702
    Internet address:  hufferd@us.ibm.com
    
    
    Julian Satran@IBMIL
    05/12/2002 04:47  AM
    
    To:    John Hufferd/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS@IBMDE
    cc:     ips@ece.cmu.edu, owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu, "Robert D. Russell"
           <rdr@io.iol.unh.edu>
    From:  Julian  Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
    Subject:    Re: iSCSI: NOP-In   (Document link: John Hufferd)
    
    John.
    
    Ping from target is  prohibited from having data only if  TTT is
    0xfffffffff
    i.e., when no  reply request is requested.
    
    Julo
    
    
    
    
                           John
    
                          Hufferd@IBMUS            To:       "Robert D.
    Russell"
    <rdr@io.iol.unh.edu>
                                                    cc:       Julian
    Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, ips@ece.cmu.edu,
                          05/10/2002 12:53          <owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu>
    
                          AM                        From:     John Hufferd/San
    Jose/IBM@IBMUS
                                                    Subject: Re: iSCSI:
    NOP-In(Document  link: Julian Satran - Mail)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    You may  be correct, but I think we need to use the Ping word, so that it
    becomes  obvious, as it does now, that Ping from Initiator can have data
    but
    ping  from Target can not.
    
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    .
    .
    John L. Hufferd
    Senior Technical  Staff Member (STSM)
    IBM/SSG San Jose Ca
    Main Office (408) 256-0403, Tie:  276-0403,  eFax: (408) 904-4688
    Home Office (408) 997-6136, Cell: (408) 499-9702
    Internet address:  hufferd@us.ibm.com
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    


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